Give Hoffman a Break!
Posted by Phil Lam on October 4, 2007
First off, let me get this out of the way: Trevor Hoffman cost the Padres a playoff birth when he blew two saves in the span of three days. He totally blew it. Had he been able to retire Tony Gwynn Jr. on Saturday or one of the Rockies on Monday, the Pads would be playing Game One of the NLDS in Philly today. No ifs, ands or buts about it.
I wasn’t going to weigh in on this because broke up with the 2007 Padres in late August and Monday was the first time I watched them play in six weeks but all those people on the message boards and talk shows vilifying Hoffman and calling for the Padres trade him or buy out his contract are just driving me nuts. I mean, I was at Nicky Rotten’s for lunch today and I heard some doofus say that they should move Hoffman to the setup role because you can’t have a closer who throws in the mid-80s. I mean, did this jerk even see any one of Hoffman’s 524 saves? Did it look like he could close out a game throwing in the mid-80s? Listen, you don’t get rid of a great closer after he blows a save ok? I don’t care how important the game was. Did the Oakland A’s get rid of Dennis Eckersly after he gave up the homerun to Kirk Gibson in the 1988 World Series? Did the Yankees cut Mariano Rivera after he blew Game 7 of the 2001 World Series? To get rid of Hoffman this off-season would not only be a total knee-jerk reaction, it would be completely ludicrous shoot-yourself-in-the-foot move.
People say “Hoffman isn’t a ‘money closer’ like Rivera.” Yeah, but who is? I take a look around the major leagues and I can’t even name half the closers out there right now. Let’s take a roll call of the five best closers outside of Hoffman and let’s see who we have:
Mariano Rivera: REC 3-4 SV 30 ERA 3.15
John Papelbon: REC 1-3 SV 37 ERA 1.85
Billy Wagner: REC 2-2 SV 34 ERA 2.63
Francisco Rodriguez: REC 5-2 SV 40 ERA 2.81
Jose Valverde: REC 1-4 SV 47 ERA 2.66
Rivera struggled at the beginning of the year and even the most ardent Yankee fan will admit their confidence level in Rivera is not as high as it used to be and Paplebon struggled to end the season — the second straight year he’s struggled in September. After that you have Billy Wagner, K-Rod, and Jose Valverde– who looks like he’s either going to be a great closer or go kill someone within the next few years.
What’s my point? My point is that there aren’t any great, lights-out, closers out there right now. They’ve either gotten hurt (Eric Gagne), have gotten old (Rivera, Hoffman) or haven’t arrived yet (Paplebon, Valverde, Joel Zumaya). I mean if you look at that list up there, there are two (TWO!!) proven closers in their prime in all of major league baseball. TWO! So to suggest that the Padres get rid of Trevor Hoffman is just plain absurd.
Does Trevor Hoffman have a penchant for blowing big games? Heck yes he does. There was a hint of it in 1998 when he was one save away from the consecutive save record and blew it by giving up a homerun to Moises Alou. Later that year he took the loss in Game Two of the World Series. And of course, he blew the save in last years All-Star Game (even though I wouldn’t really consider the All-Star Game a “big game”).
Obviously games like those — and there are many more, are indefensible. But think about this: Unlike Mariano Rivera who pitches for the Yankees where every game is life or death, Hoffman wasn’t really battle tested earlier in his career. Rivera, who was a set-up man for John Wetteland on the 1996 World Series team, has been in the postseason every single year of his career but one. Hoffman didn’t make it to the playoffs until 1996 (his fourth year in the league), was there again in 1998 and didn’t make it back until 2005 and 2006. I mean going from pitching in relative obscurity at Qualcom Stadium and PetCo Park to the postseason is a pretty big leap. It would be like grilling for your family and friends one day and then getting thrown into Hell’s Kitchen the next. I mean it’s really not the same right? I’m not making excuses for Hoffman but maybe if the Padres were a little more competitive earlier in his he would be able to handle these pressure situations a little better.
Whatever the case may be, the Padres are a better team with Trevor Hoffman. I mean, outside of Peavy and Hoffman what does this team really got? Hoffman’s one of the few somebodys in a team full of nobodys. Remember in 2003 when Hoffman missed most of the year and we were subjected to the catastrophe known as Brandon Villafuerte? Most Hoffman critics probably won’t because it was the pre-PetCo days and they probably weren’t Padre fans yet, but Villafuerte was billed as a guy who could handle the closers role for a year while Hoffman was out and he totally, completely, and utterly bombed. That guy gave it up so many times he would have put Paris Hilton to shame. Go see Villafuerte working at the local L&L and he’ll probably tell you that closing isn’t easy.
And who are the Padres going to go with if they get rid of Hoffman anyways? As we talked about above there aren’t too many options out there. Think about it this way: In 2008 they’ll have Heath Bell in the 8th, Hoffman in the 9th and Clay Meridith, Doug Brocail, Joe Thatcher and some transient Towers picks up in the Pilipino League and the Pads will still have one of the best bullpens in baseball.
Trevor Hoffman cost the Padres a playoff birth when he blew two saves in the span of three days.
Let’s not make this a bigger thing than it has to be.
jeff said
granted…
Hoffman did serve the padres well over the season…
Agreed…
Hoffman has shown a propensity for blowing saves in important games
Question?
Why remove Thatcher from the game when he was cruising and Hoffman had recently blown an important save a few games back?
Baseball generally runs in streaks….hitting, pitching, relief pitching…its the manager that needs to be attuned to these ‘cycles’ and to use players accordingly.
I believe Thatcher was working through a strong cycle in his inning…Black should have left him in to start the next inning and warmed up Hoffman in the interim….
i know that hindsight is 20=20, but Hoffman has a problem in Coors Field.. Black chose to ignore that – and his blown save a few nights earlier – in order to do what? to give Hoffman retribution? I think it comes down to a rookie manager putting the wrong person in in the wrong situation at the wrong time….
I disagree with the opinion that Hoffman should retain his closer role in every situation…in situations like Monday, the manager should take into consieration Hoffman’s propensity to collapse and put his ‘tendency’ on the line only when necessary…
JG
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Susan Mullen said
You said Rivera has been in the post season every year of his career but one, but that’s not correct. He’s been in the post season every year of his career (and always as a reliever): 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006. *2007 is pending. The media has sold the save stat incorrectly–you cannot compare multi inning save appearances and with 1 or more runners on base to those Hoffman gets- never more than 3 outs, almost never runners on base. If there is no difference, why doesn’t he do it? It would take 2 or 3 separate human beings to do the job Mariano Rivera does going by Hoffman’s rules, counting the “bullets” left. Obviously, Mariano is worth more because his manager and team can count on him in many more situations.They’ve not, however, been able to allow Rivera to compile easy “saves” to try and win awards. You can’t say the total save stat, exclusive of other stats the reliever provides, makes a person a better ‘closer.’ Rivera has not had the luxury of being used only in the regular season. He’s been in wrenching post season situations for years while others were relaxing. Since you’re a sincere student of the game and sound like a nice person, may I suggest nothing of Rivera’s 2001 World Series performance should ever in any way be compared to anything Hoffman has done to date? The event you refer to is not well understood–Oct. 30, 2001, 2 IP (8,9) came in with 1 run lead, preserved, final win 2-1. (That’s 2 innings–1 run lead–twice as hard as one inning, much more work); Oct. 31, 1 IP, TIE game, 3-3, which he preserved, final win 4-3. November 1, 2 IP 10,11, came in with TIE game 2-2, game ended in 12 innings, win 3-2 in 12th. They fly across the country, got killed, Yankees couldn’t score any runs, Game 7, Rivera is AGAIN asked to pitch 2 innings, gets through the 8th fine, comes back in the 9th. If you recall, the game was lost when he inexplicably threw the ball into center field–a mental lapse–although all you hear about is Luis Gonzalez’ bloop hit. Your guy is fine, he’s done great things, but he’s not Rivera–as you note nobody is, which the Yankees will find out when they no longer have him. But after his grueling 2001 World Series performances 3 days in a row, 2 IP in 2 of the 3 days, 2 of the games tied, one with a 1 run lead, then game 7 working on his 2nd inning–these are situations your guy has never come close to–for whatever reason you want to say, that’s just the fact. It doesn’t make him a bad person. But a person who does a much more difficult, hire wire act if you will, with much greater risk, greater consequences, has a higher value. To reduce Rivera’s life time performances to just the Total Save Stat is robbing him of his work, including his regular and post season Wins and low home run rates. P.S. All the baseball writers will vote Hoffman into the Hall of Fame on the first ballot, so don’t worry about the rest of it. Thanks.